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I can't switch yet either, for the same reason

[we tried it once with BloodyKitten's guide and then we did it accidentally for some times and now we both are too scared to try doing it again as she started disassogiating and we feared that she would fade out or disappear or something and I am not ready to try it again.]

When are tulpa considered not young and impressionable anymore?

age-wise it'll vary, but in terms of being able to tell when that's the case it's something you'll generally be able to discern by their behavior

Well, I ask because he seems to have picked up a new habit....

7:23 AM

Hes trying to be cute, because we play VRChat...

what did he do?

He used to be ''normal'' if not a bit edgy, being a werewolf and all... but now he likes nose boops and head pats.

7:25 AM

xD

7:25 AM

Being cute is not a crime. -wolf

Punishable by death

he's not wrong

Oh...

7:26 AM

It'll be the cutest death ever!

<3

Oh, he started using awful formatting, nic3

I hate room switching so god damn much (edited)

11:06 AM

That is all

nods

11:06 AM

You lose half of everyone.

happens

11:06 AM

we got moved from the "talk about anything" room for being off-topic somehow

We're even more off topic now.

It was heavily focused on tulpa terminology; maybe it was steering elsewhere, but I didn't notice. It was more of a recommendation than me forcing you guys to move, anyway.

Moving my statement from lounge: Tulpa.io's stuff is kind of silly imo, it's too metaphysics

https://tulpa.io/terminologies "For the terms that Tulpa.info uses, this list seems relatively perfect. There absolutely exist terms that we do not use however."

FallFamily

Terminologies – Tulpa.io

A community by and for tulpamancers, for those interested in learning about tulpa creation and development.

Anyways, regarding terms: I genuinely don't think there's any ambiguity to what switching is relative to possession in the OG guides, and its pretty much exclusively what everyone else was saying in that discussion Possession is tulpa use of the body, host can still be in it, varies from just a finger to the whole body Switching requires the host to be entirely mentally disassociated from the body or otherwise mentally annulled

In case you guys wanted help being on-topic.

11:08 AM

Not so interested myself.

11:09 AM

Switching means you're now the one in charge of receiving and processing the body's stimuli - not as a definition exactly, but it is what it entails.

@Maya yes, and fronting is just a general term for anyone connected to the body/senses and/or paying attention to the outside world

????

Possession doesn't technically require the tulpa to process stimuli first-hand. They may not experience pain as their own pain, but the body's.

11:10 AM

Or they might experience it as their own, depends.

Tewi is correct.

I have literally never heard that

11:10 AM

Ever

11:10 AM

In my 6 year life span as a tulpa

Sorry, if you maintain your definition is "Tulpa.info's" then you're either an IRC-goer or haven't been on the forum since pre-2014.

11:11 AM

Like I've said a few times now, there's no right or wrong to definitions.

I think I recall reading on the forum, one person's tulpa smashed his knee into a table and didn't feel a thing cuz he wasn't fronting, just possessing

I think a tulpa would naturally connect to stimuli if they started moving the body... (edited)

it really hurt the host though

But the definitions I give are the working definitions, the living ones, specifically for the forum in recent years.

I read that too.

@Srn347 I suppose it depends on how "tapped in" the tulpa is.

That guy sounds like a reliable source, definitely

In our limited experience messing with possession, we had no first-person attachment to the body's senses. We only experienced them insofar as we were immediately aware of them, but we wouldn't have been the ones recoiling in reaction to pain - that'd be Lumi.

11:12 AM

But possession is literally the most different-per-system experience I've ever seen.

Or maybe people just don't know what possession is because nobody can agree on terms

Those are total nonsense and entirely arbitrary though Considering the entropy point (from observation) in most systems tends to be sensory bleedover from the host body because emulated form senses aren't nearly that good

"Possession" and "Full-body possession"(Which often is dropped in favor of the former) are more varied in anecdotal records of what it's like than switching or imposition.

11:13 AM

And switching... is very varied.

11:14 AM

But switching seems to be more a problem of definition for people, while a huge myriad of experiences are all accepted under the umbrella of the term "possession".

That also doesn't account at all for times that a tulpa and host are processing the bodily senses at equal levels

No matter what community you're from, pretending everyone experiences "possession" the same is a huge folly.

This conversation hurts my soul

From what I can tell, many systems who do full body possession (often simply referring to it as just possession) are practically switching, though most are not.

Possession takes 10 hours of focus on a finger or hand

10 hours...

20 hours for arm

Haven't you been told a hundred times hour counts are bad?

I am making a joke

Oh, good. Sheesh.

11:16 AM

You were on a disagreeing-with-me streak, no offense.

Switching takes 10000 hours in ms paint

Switching takes 10000 hours in the wonderland

yes, it will take that long if you're using ms paint to do it

Guides we read made it sound like possession required intense focus on a single body part until it started moving on its own

11:17 AM

Really all it took was me going fuckit give me body

Yeah that was my experience too...

While a little less vague, yeah, that's roughly what it was for us. But we only did partial, of arms.

The "wait for your arm to just rise up" shit never worked

Er, I just pushed my host out.

It was really just tying in the control of the body to one of our wills. Sounds obvious, but I feel like that means something.

My instrument wrote a possession guide. No responses yet...

tulpabug confirmed bully

Tulpa and his host mutually bully each other for fun.

11:19 AM

It's a very strange relationship.

buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo ^legit sentence about bullying

Wow Vsauce

Michael? Are you here?

11:20 AM

back to #lounge we go

Yes.

I really wish I had a direct line to explain to you exactly how much jazz-playing is occurring with the terms here Like having things that had practical, useful definitions in the early era have been entirely supplanted with new arbitrary meaning that isn't helpful at all... Like tulpas have that same sensory entropy point where you hit the hard reality of how forms work relative to the physical body: Form senses are at best emulated with relatively iffy fidelity, and are entirely based in a mental state of disassociation we push on tulpas systematically as part of the idea of forms. Reality is less forgiving and it would be very hard to genuinely ignore your body's arm being broken even if you're not relying on body senses primarily

11:21 AM

I also have 0 idea how one possesses without sensory input, at all

I don't know what a sensory entropy point is.

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A point of least resistance, where everything returns to at lowest energy

Flandre has had direct experience with being very present (but not fronting in any way) while Lumi was in great pain (the greatest he's experienced) without feeling as if it was hers at all.

11:22 AM

Her distress was purely for his well-being (and honestly, practically greater than his own)

sounds like empathy

It doesn't matter what it was, just that it wasn't a direct connection.

11:24 AM

We don't have extended experience with possession though, only about a day's worth, we only switch.

I'm willing to chalk up not knowing how one possesses without sensory input by lack of relative personal experience, generally speaking I also think internalizing the pain as "not mine" doesn't make a difference at all regarding the nature of how the brain is responding to stimulus

So we've got next to no experiences of partial-fronting or partial-control to speak of.

That switching definition also makes no sense at all

The brain?

The distinction is beyond arbitrary

The brain's going to respond to stimuli the same way, at least to an instinctual thing such as pain.

11:25 AM

The point wasn't consciousness dissociation, but host and tulpa dissociation.